Curse

Jetdoc · Oct 09, 2006, 08:00 PM // 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

"No noobs" = Don't dare offer anything low otherwise i'll intimidate the hell out of you. You'll be considered a noob if your offer doesn't please me.

"100k+xx ectos" = If you don't have this sort of cash then don't go near me. I am not interested in you. (What does this mean anyway? It can be intepreted as anywhere between 165k and 640k)

"Offer me" = I don't really know the value but I'm hoping you'll give me something decent OR I got verbally abused when I stated a price last time so now I'm too intimidated and I'm letting you call the shots.

"No reply = No Ty" = I'm so damn arrogant that your petty offers won't even be worthy of me replying in a few mere words that I don't accept the offer. Lowballers needn't bother with me.

Excellent post.

"PM Offer" and "No Reply = No Ty" are definitely "I hope you overpay" messages. Whenever anyone replies to me "PM Offer", I very succinctly say "sorry, I'm not interested." Which, on their end, I'm sure they're thinking "what do you mean you're not interested - you PM'd me!!!"

Gigashadow · Oct 09, 2006, 09:20 PM // 21:20

The problem is GW doesn't have the same sense of community that mmorpgs do. There are far too many people to keep track of, so you won't recognise the same person twice. People are also less attached to a particular character (less of the "main" syndrome). Also, you won't really recognise the same guild twice, as there are a bazillion guilds running around, and most guilds don't seem to care or have any pride in what their members do.

Trakata · Oct 09, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45

I hate this "phenomenon", but the thing I hate even more is something like this (true story):

I was trying to sell a low req 15^50 Celestial Longbow in-game, and I was asking about 75k for it or something. Well within guidelines and I felt it fair. So this guy is spamming "WTB RARE-SKIN BOWS AND AXES PM ME WITH SKIN AND PRICE" so I thought maybe he'd be interested, since I figured Celestial was at least semi-rare. He made no indication of how rare, either. So I PM him with the skin and price, trying to be polite, and I get this back:

lol

And that's it. WTF is that? I wanted to slap him for being such a jerk-off. At least I didn't get "lol noob" eh?

midnight caretaker · Oct 09, 2006, 10:35 PM // 22:35

I personally dont trade for money but i do farm and try to sell my items at low prices so i can get back to farming. I get aggrivated when u r selling at a very resonalbe price and you get someguy trying to low ball you when u r already selling at a low price and then has the nerve to call you a noob. Anyways when you are looking for an item one of the best places to find them at a low price are right here in the trade forums and auction system.

Sofonisba · Oct 09, 2006, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Well, I admit I'm not a hard-core seller.

Things that are difficult to price (IMHO) such as shields, I will follow the description with "pm with offer."

What I find rude, is when my ad says "pm with offer"--which doesn't mean I hope you overpay, it means I don't have a d**n clue and I don't want to CHEAT anyone, I'll probably take the first offer I get--someone shows interest, and asks me how much.

"PM with offer"--if it turns you off to buy from someone with that tag, fine, leave it alone. But if someone is asking for an offer, for the love of Dwayna, make an offer!

Maybe I should end my selling (rare as it is) with "pm with noob offers."

HOMIE_G64 · Oct 09, 2006, 11:01 PM // 23:01

I honestly disregard WTB and WTSs unless I really want the item. I personally really don't sell ANYTHING. Why? It is EXTREMELY annoying shouting "WTS <weapon> for <price/your offer>" and not getting ANY response. So there I am, shouting WTS WTS WTS!!! And everyone just ignores me. I really don't care about the price, as long as it is higher than what i get from an NPC I'm fine.

DrunkenPheonix · Oct 09, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14

Well If you are selling in the busiest houre, in district 1 in kaineng. And more then 2 people are interested in the item, I understand that its hard to keep up and answer to all of them. What I hate more is when I try to sell something, and People keep spamming to sell their items, like I allways see some people saying the same sentence 5 times in a row so that people will notice them. Or people not turning their caps off.

From my game experience I allways found out, in every game where you get in contact with lots of players, there are allways rotten apples between them. The larger the gaming community, the more rude they get.

Other things that are annoying me are:

- I was in a party with a friend of mine, he died but I got a really nice black dye drop. He was really happy, never gotten more then 2k. Now my res signet wasnt recharged yet, as i was W/R that day I didnt have infinite res.
So all the party members were dead or left the party, while me and another guy were still alive. I know he had resurrect cause he used it before. What he did was wait till he could pick up the dye, and then res my friend. So it was between me and him, unfortunatly he got it. I got angry but went on with the party, about 10 minutes later, only I was alive and the guy had a golden warden vestment laying there, hoping for the best I waited till I can pick it up... Yay it was a +50 health rune, showed it to the guy thinking I would give him that, then canceled the trade and gave it to my friend, muhaha THAT felt good.

lennymon · Oct 10, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00

this is 'divide and conquer'... its proven effective.
It may be rude, but it is also effective. Dont buy from these people if you care about rudeness. simple.

Nivryx · Oct 10, 2006, 01:53 AM // 01:53

i just hate it when people try to tell me i'm a newb and correct me. i was clearly selling my req 8 15^50 20/20 +30 chaos axe in LA for 100k + 25e as the c/o, someone pm's me to see (which i hate btw when i list all the stats in my WTS line), and then he sells '25k' and i tell him 'no, i already have someone buying for 100k+25e, do you wish to raise?' and he replies 'no, i'm not a nub, thats only worth 25k.'

right....

Dalimoor_Kalkire · Oct 10, 2006, 08:21 AM // 08:21

I agree with a lot of points. I grew tired of spamming endlessly in the channels so I started to sell all the items I got from working my chest running for ym titles on here instead. It's great. Forums FTW anyday. Got real sick of the "you newb" this and "you newb" that. I swear, you don't play the game identical to someone else and they slap the "newb" label on you. *Groan* But, anyway, people tend to be very rude when they can't get the item for next to nothing at all. Hell, I'll sell you a 50k sword for 10k just to get it out of my storage so I can keep working my title. Long as it covers my key cost. = ^_^ =

Gun Pierson · Oct 10, 2006, 08:53 AM // 08:53

Personally I'm at the point where I buy or sell as least as possible in game. If I need something, I will simply buy it here on the forums. I can't stand all the crapp anymore.

Franco · Oct 10, 2006, 10:27 AM // 10:27

I do the same of the above, the only things I sell in game anymore is weapon mods, which I dont really wanna go make a thread to sell a +30hp bow grip lol, my experience with this is all you have to do is lower the price about 5k, and everyone will try to buy it just to spam and make some profit, if you think about it, for farmers or chest runners, the time you spend trying to sell something for a high price, youd farm double of it, so lowering that 5k really is worth it.

The Silver Star · Oct 10, 2006, 11:43 AM // 11:43

Agreed Franco, if you try and sell to high then you actually lose more than you gain in the long term, i usually colect say 20/20 and +30hp for sword in a day or two then sell them to some nub cheaper as package who things that 20/20 and +30hp will make his wep sell faster :P

However i buy most of my itmes from friendslist only, makes it much easier to ask friends ratehr than relying on nubs in-game -_-

Punches · Oct 10, 2006, 11:52 PM // 23:52

I totally agree with most of what has been said here, most people who "PM offer" and don't reply probably are waiting for some sucker to make a foolish offer well over the item's worth. There are alot of real jerks on the internet.

However, on the flip side, I have had problems several times where I've posted "wts ..." and included a price and I always seem to get people PMing me asking how much. This becomes a real problem when I have 4 or 5 people pming me at once over the item and I'm trying to chat with them all, only half of them aren't even interested after hearing a price that was stated plainly in my original post anyway, and I am unable to answer some people which may have been legitimate buyers because people can't pay attention or read. Like I said, alot of jerks.

So if you pm someone an offer and don't get an immediate response it is possible your PM was one of many that seller is trying to sort through. Possible but unlikely, because of all the stupid, stupid jerks on the internet.

Thank you.

makosi · Oct 11, 2006, 12:27 AM // 00:27

The following is a kind of rant but also for educational purposes >_>:

"Offert" is not a word. I know most of the European English members aren't primary English speakers, but there is no 't' in 'offer', there never has been and never will be.

You don't 'need' 100k+XX ectos. You 'are looking for', 'would like' or 'asking for'. You need water and food.

There is no reason for you to state a price and request and offer for the same item in the same sentence. It makes you look clueless and inspires no confidence between you and your audience. Saying 'ONO' (or nearest offer) lets people know that you're flexible but know roughly how much you expect from your item.

Caps lock, spamming and over-use of large symbols like "@@@@@" sends your message out and it will be noticed but people will think you're greedy and desperate. It deters your potential buyers.

Speaking in a foreign language in a place like Kaineng Center [English] (or any other country) is rude and mostly inneffective as people won't understand. Make some effort with translators if you really need to sell in a different language area.

Use of words like "GODLY" and "OMG" also make you sound desperate to sell. If an item is that great, the skin and stats speak for themselves and won't requre such promotion.

You don't sell 'dagger'. They're ALWAYS in pairs and should be referred to as daggers. This applies to most things in plural.

*Feels better*

cataphract · Oct 11, 2006, 07:22 AM // 07:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by makosi

You don't 'need' 100k+XX ectos. You 'are looking for', 'would like' or 'asking for'. You need water and food.

I think it's former Diablo players that use "need" in their ads. Days of spamming "O SOJ N IST" or "O GORERIDER N PGEMS" can get to you.

Akhilleus · Oct 11, 2006, 07:29 AM // 07:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franco

1) They didnt notice your message in all the spamming they are doing
2) They are idiots.
3) They dont have a clue how to power trade and are wannabe high end sellers
4) If they say offer, tell them to learn how to sell
5) do all the above and laugh at them. If they call you noob,ignore list ftw.

i LOVE it when someone tells me "offer" to which i respond "if you dont know your prices, i wont give you an offer, i assure you whatever it is you ask, if its fair, i will meet the asking price"
99% of the time their next response is "newb."

fact of the matter is, people who spam WTSes and WTBs all day, are not traders, they are trader wannabes. a real trader is like a tiger; sits in the shade untill the right prey springs up at the right time, and takes immidiate action before anything or anyone can react.

Y.T. · Oct 11, 2006, 08:12 AM // 08:12

well they usually say *no reply = nty* right? no offence

bryann380 · Oct 11, 2006, 02:59 PM // 14:59

For me, the rudest thing is all the spam buying/selling in local chat. I even pointed this out to someone in Marketplace last night, saying it's rude to spam sell in local chat and to go to Kaineng for that. His first pm reply to me was "OK THX". Yes, he types in all caps (another rude occurence). A minute later, he pms me "THAT WHAT YOU THINK" and continues to spam in local. So I put him on ignore and pm back "It's what I know... sorry you can't understand that".

Ole Man Bourbon · Oct 11, 2006, 03:50 PM // 15:50

Selling is pretty easy. The trick is to

A) Know the value of your item (look it up here in price check, though pc threads overvalue items a tad)

B) Advertise that price for it, but be willing to quickly come down 10-15% to close the deal

Works almost every time. You get interest quickly, and deter people from chickening out (you know, open the trade window, stand there, and logout with no comment). Usually you get either one person saying "I'll buy," one person saying "can you take off ~5k?," and one "lol." 2 out of 3 ain't bad and in this case both are sales. Don't be greedy: just move the merchandise so you can get back to work (and fun).

I hate sellers that won't name a price. They are selfish idiots who are wasting time within wasting time, which is truly sad and probably pretty hard to do if you think about it.